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"We have to weed them out, 'cause we're going to get stuck with them you know."
- One trainer to another - during my initial training with Nationair in April 1987, referring to to the trainees.


The Crash

"...at least we finally got rid of ______ and ______."
-Celine Dupere (July 1991) - then Manager of Inflight Services - regarding the deaths of two Toronto-based flight attendants in the Jeddah crash. (The names have been removed at the request of their families)

"...stop acting like a dog licking it's wounds"
-George Tchoryk - Management, in a letter to traumatized Flight Attendants who were in Jeddah at the time of the crash and having personal difficulties as a result.

"Well they never finished the flight did they?"
-Jean Thibodeau -former FA/union rep turned management, explaining why the company felt they didn't have to pay the estates of the deceased for the flight they died on. Disregarding a Collective Agreement contract that stipulated a minimum 4 hours pay credit for every flight. Now an "HR Director" somewhere.

"It wasn't the company's fault!"

-Mary Pollock - former FA turned management - immediately after the crash, before any facts were known. Now works with the Ministry of Transport in Canada, ensuring the safety of the travelling public.

"There was debris on the runway"
-President Robert Obadia immediately after the crash, trying to clear the company of any blame.Ultimately, the aircraft was found to have been unairworthy for several days before the crash, and maintenance documents falsified.

"They found __________'s body today."
-Val Voss - Toronto Management to an upset crew member about crash victim recovery status, just before her flight briefing. Note that not answering a question to the IFD's satisfaction during a flight briefing could get you removed from the flight without pay and disciplined. She also felt the need to share how recovery personnel could identify the remains of crew members.

"The Nationair report released in February showed evidence of a problem plagued airline and inept inspection which Transport Canada attempted to cover up."
-Ken Rubin - In an article about the sorry state of the Freedom of Information Act


The Lockout

"You're never coming back!"
- Mitzi Frial - SCAB, to flight attendants walking the picket line during the lockout

"You told me they were never coming back!"
- Mitzi Frial - SCAB, to Val Voss after hearing that the lockout was going to be settled

"I'd really appreciate it if you didn't picket our Christmas party."
- Toronto management Pat Casserly who called and ask that we not picket the party, about a month into the lockout

"So this is the thanks I get after all the things I did for you after the crash?"

- Toronto management Pat Casserly after we told him he did not determine picket locations

"Well this is really between you and the company. We don't want to get involved."

- Representative of the pilots "association" when he called us during the lockout, and we asked for the support of the pilot group.


Life on the line

"You know, I worked at Odyssey for two years and never really had to put any emergency training to work...I've been here two months, and I don't think there's been a flight where something hasn't gone wrong."
- Ex-Odyssey International Flight Attendant on the difference between the two carriers. Sadly, this same Flight Attendant died in the Jeddah crash on July 11, 1991..

"I just can't do the things they want me to do to you guys."
- A base manager, explaining why they were resigning.

"So you are refusing the flight???!"
-Crew scheduling, in response to my informing them that 30 minutes did not give me alot of time to shower, get dressed and drive 40 minutes to the airport before the flight left. (They'd known they were going to be short staffed 2.5 hours prior)

"Are you guys taking an exam or something?"
- Air France Flight Attendant to us after witnessing one of our pre-flight "briefings"

"It doesn't concern you. Just prepare for an emergency landing."
-In Flight Director Robert Cheung to the Purser (next in Charge after him) replying to an inquiry about an in-flight announcement in which the only audible word was "emergency" because the PA was up to it's usual poor quality.

"Oh my god, we're going to die!"
-Passenger on that same flight

"...Unfortunately, most of us used to think that the maintenance of your aircraft would never improve until one of them crashed and people were killed. Well, sorry to say, that not even that has 'helped'."

"...the movies and audio on DJC were inoperative, as were several lavs. The stench from the lavs at 3L and 3R alone was disgusting. None of any of this was fixed at any point during the (9 day) pairing, in fact, by the time we had DJC for the trip home, there were no movies, audio, reading lights, 5 lavs were blocked off, couldn't offer much in the way of duty free or bar to our passengers, very little supplies in the lavs, had to carry garbage through the cabin as the garbage container at Galley 4 was 'missing'."

"....The interphones on (aircraft #) N303 haven't worked since before the fire in Gatwick last year. Yes, I know that MOT says that they aren't a 'vital' piece of equipment, but when I have to run up and try 8 handsets to get a message to the Captain that a door won't arm, it becomes a safety problem.

The complaint we get from Maintenance when we ask them why things like this occur, is that no-one wants to spend the money on parts.
"
-From a letter written to Nationair President by a Toronto-based Purser regarding problems encountered on a daily basis at Nationair, and prompted by a series of flights on one particular 747 in the summer of 1991. The 4 page letter went unanswered.

"We were short of bar, no headsets because not even one section is working, therefore no movie! Up to five lavs were inoperative, no sprays for the stinking lavs, inoperative passenger reading lights (so they are either all on, or all off), etc. ...... stop telling us that, this or that doesn't look professional, the way we work, the way we sit, the way we do our hair, etc. Do your jobs properly and we'll do ours! Fix these aircraft once and for all."
- A plea from an emotional letter written to Nationair President by a Toronto-based Flight Attendant regarding maintenance problems on the same series of flights on a 747. Wardairs old aircraft (DJC). The Purser and FA had worked the same flights that prompted the 2 letters.

Maintenance Related

"The door seal in the back is leaking."
"Did you stick a blanket in it?"
"Yeah."
"And?"
"The blanket got sucked out."
"What's that noise?"
"That's the door."

-Conversation between myself and a fellow FA regarding a door seal leak that was eventually taped up with a plastic garbage bag by the Flight Engineer...and made the Toronto papers.


"By "parts" do you mean speed tape?"
-Mechanic commenting on the shortage of real parts for aircraft fixes

"Hang on, I've got a wrench in my purse."
-Flight Attendant getting ready to fix the coffee machine

"What will it take before anyone will do anything about stuff like this? Does one of our airplanes have to fall out of the sky?"
"Unfortunately, yes, that is probably the case"

-Conversation between myself and someone from the Confidential Aviation Safety Reporting Program, spurred on by smoke detectors in the lavs that didn't work...for months



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